The MacRumors Show: John Gruber Talks Apple Intelligence and the Future of the Company

Daring Fireball's John Gruber joins us on this week's episode of The MacRumors Show to discuss Apple Intelligence and the future of the company.


We talk through the reaction to John's influential "Something Is Rotten in the State of Cupertino" piece on Daring Fireball, which pointed out that Apple's credibility has been "damaged" by the delay in releasing key ‌Apple Intelligence‌ features such as personalized Siri. Subsequent reports revealed that Vision Pro chief Mike Rockwell has taken over the Siri team at Apple, which until recently was led by artificial intelligence chief John Giannandrea. Software chief Craig Federighi is also believed to have taken on more responsibility to turn ‌Apple Intelligence‌ around.

The company has altered its marketing strategy away from the "Hello, ‌Apple Intelligence‌" tagline and the features are finally expected to launch sometime within the next year. With this recent context, we get John's thoughts on how the situation has evolved since he wrote his article, including on the proposed class-action lawsuits against Apple over false advertising. We also look at how Apple may present its suite of AI features at WWDC later this year.

Moreover, we reflect on the Vision Pro almost two years after its announcement, and John explains why he believes that the headset avoided the mismanagement that has mired apple Intelligence. We also talk through rumors about the second-generation Vision Pro headset that is expected to launch between fall 2025 and spring 2026 as a minor spec bump, simply upgrading from the M2 to the M5 chip. We also explore the highly anticipated lower-cost Vision headset, dubbed "Vision Air," and how this could be positioned when it launches.

We look at the state of Apple's smart home proposition and the HomePod amid rumors that the company's first smart home hub product has been delayed to 2026. The device is believed to be finished and was originally scheduled to launch in March 2025, but due to its reliance on ‌Apple Intelligence‌ its release has reportedly been shelved until next year.

Finally, we discuss the long-rumored foldable iPhone, pondering on what Apple is likely to do differently when it launches the device next year. The MacRumors Show also has its own YouTube channel, so make sure you're subscribed to keep up with new episodes and clips. See more of John's work over on Daring Fireball and on his podcast, "The Talk Show."

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Top Rated Comments

ThailandToo Avatar
26 weeks ago

See my above post. 2+ Billion active/repeat customers continue to open their wallets and purchase the Apple products they love.

The good news, for you, is there are plenty of Apple competitor companies waiting to win you over.
Edit: delete my post as it was edited by someone who is not me. Thanks!
Score: 14 Votes (Like | Disagree)
coolfactor Avatar
26 weeks ago
Apple and Apple Intelligence are going to be just fine.
Score: 13 Votes (Like | Disagree)
klasma Avatar
26 weeks ago

Apple not jumping onto the generative “AI” bandwagon like some uncritical lemming only makes them more esteemed.
How are they not jumping on that bandwagon with Genmoji, Smart Reply, Image Wand, notification/email/transcript summaries, memory movies, Writing Tools, and ChatGPT integration?
Score: 13 Votes (Like | Disagree)
Chungry Avatar
26 weeks ago

Calm down John. You didn’t expose Apple. You just summarized Reddit with better punctuation.

Main character syndrome much. ?‍?
Absolutely. He thinks so highly of himself. I had a casual email exchange with him back in 2003 and he came off as a condescending, uh, blue origin rocket
Score: 13 Votes (Like | Disagree)
Dark_Omen Avatar
26 weeks ago

Apple and Apple Intelligence are going to be just fine.
We said the same thing about Siri in 2011.
Score: 12 Votes (Like | Disagree)
blairh Avatar
26 weeks ago
Really disappointed with the way John has been treating Gurman lately. Just really disrespectful and unnecessary.
Score: 12 Votes (Like | Disagree)