Apple and Epic Return to Court as Judges Question Prior Rulings

Apple returned to court this week to argue that a federal judge exceeded their authority when they held the company in contempt and barred it from collecting any commission on external in-app transactions, Bloomberg reports.

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Apple told the appeals court that a U.S. District Judge went further than their 2021 order allowed when they banned Apple from taking any commission on purchases made outside apps. Apple said the order only required it to allow links to outside payments, not to stop collecting fees entirely.

Apple argued that if the judge disagreed with its approach, they should have clarified the order instead of punishing the company for contempt. It told the judges that the contempt ruling was "punitive" and that Apple is entitled to "some compensation" when developers use its platform and ecosystem.

Epic told the court that Apple knowingly violated the order instead of asking for clarification. The company said Apple only started claiming it should be paid for external purchases after it was caught violating the injunction.

The case arises from Epic's 2020 decision to add an external payment link to Fortnite, which led to its removal from the App Store. In response to the 2021 order allowing alternative payments, Apple created a new 27% fee on external transactions. Epic argued this violated the spirit of the order. A judge later agreed and held Apple in contempt, banning any commission on external payments. Apple is now asking the Ninth Circuit to overturn that contempt ruling.

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Selena Agna Avatar
4 hours ago at 08:38 am
Wooever wins, we lose.

Apple and Epic are both multinational corporations only looking out for their own interests.
Score: 10 Votes (Like | Disagree)
BaldiMac Avatar
3 hours ago at 09:32 am

Epic wants no more of a free ride than what other companies like McDonald's, Amazon, Starbucks, etc get. They're asking to be treated the same as them.

Does Apple get a cut of sales from these companies? No.

Why should Epic, Spotify, etc give Apple a cut of sales when Apple isn't hosting their content, just the downloadable app?

Why isn't Apple claiming that macOS app developers are getting a free ride by being able to sell their apps outside of the Mac App Store where Apple gets $0.00 from the sale?
Why does anybody still think this is a reasonable argument? The obvious answer is that Apple gets to decide what it charges for access to its platform. Just like any other company. I can charge a fee for posting hearts, but allow people to post other emojis for free.

The court in the Epic case in the US has confirmed that Apple has a right to charge for access to its platform. It's like people are totally unaware of any business arrangements outside of what they are currently discussing!
Score: 8 Votes (Like | Disagree)
Naraxus Avatar
4 hours ago at 08:50 am
Good on Apple. The end of Sweeny mooching off Apple's hard work and IP is quickly ending.
Score: 7 Votes (Like | Disagree)
Apple-achian Avatar
4 hours ago at 08:37 am
No company should get a free ride on Apple's platform.
Score: 6 Votes (Like | Disagree)
germanbeer007 Avatar
4 hours ago at 08:39 am
If you're arguing against Apple on this, you're literally reducing consumer choice.
Score: 6 Votes (Like | Disagree)
surferfb Avatar
3 hours ago at 10:12 am

I can’t figure out if people don’t realize this or they are just “ok” with different rules for different companies all using the exact same amount of Apple IP, services, APIs, etc.

The arbitrary nature and selective application of Apple rules is a huge issue and problem, walled garden debates aside.
Personally speaking, it's Apple's IP and they should get to choose how to charge for absent a really compelling reason.

I think "digital goods and services are almost exclusively designed to be used and enjoyed on the device, have zero marginal cost, and wouldn't exist and function on said device without Apple's IP" is a perfectly reasonable reason to charge them when you don't charge for physical goods and services.

Understand reasonable people can disagree on that, but it's not like it's because Tim Cook is saying "I like McDonalds but not spotify."
Score: 5 Votes (Like | Disagree)